Too many people using the Eduardo incident as a means of tak

Darn Good Intelligence · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

Now let me first of all say that I think Wenger went way too far in
saying that Taylor should be banned from playing football forever.
Unless you can demonstrate that he deliberately set out to hurt
Eduardo, it would be too harsh a punishment. I think the tackle was
dangerous because it was ill-timed and reckless, but I don't think it
was malicious. In order to send out a message to all players
(including any Arsenal ones that may be inclined to make stupid
tackles) that these kind of tackles are completely unacceptable, this
Taylor guy should be banned at least for the rest of the season.

However, I have to say that I'm really quite appaled by the number of
people on the Internet and on the radio phone-ins who are concenrating
on what was a heat-of-the-moment comment by Wenger regarding "Taylor
should never play again", rather than the horrific injury itself. In
an ideal world Wenger should retract this comment when he's cooled
down a bit, but it's also understandable that he would be annoyed
about possibly losing an important player forever.

Some of the "comparisons" being cited of similar violent Arsenal
behaviour are just absurd - as if the tackle by Gallas on Nani last
weekend was as bad as what happened to Eduardo. As if the challenge in
December by Eboue on John Terry, that resulted in him suffering from a
broken metatarsal (I'm sure Eduardo would take that right now), was
anywhere near as bad as what's happened to poor Eduardo. That's not to
condone Gallas, Eboue, or any other Arsenal player who's done
something stupid, but really, there's no comparison to the Eduardo
incident - a tackle that resulted in injuries so bad that TV stations
won't even replay it, and many of the players who saw it were clearly
in distress.

I just think too many rival fans are allowing their dislike of Wenger
and his heat-of-the-moment remark to cloud the real issue here, which
is that of a player and, by all accounts, a nice guy who may have had
his career ended, and
even if he does somehow make it back, may never be the same again.

Sure, Wenger is one-eyed and biased but I just feel this incident is
so bad that trying to use it as an opportunity to score a few points
amonsgst rival fans is pretty tasteless to say the least. In the
aftermath of such a bad incident we should see common decency not
attempts at point scoring.

I hope he makes it back and goes on to score a lot of goals for
Arsenal in the future!

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Dave Cox · Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 13

Look that tackle just went wrong. I dont believe that any player (bar Roy
Keane) would go out in the 3rd minute to look to cause sirious injury to a
player. It was just one of those things like the Buust tackle. And as for
Whinger "to stop Arsenal you have to kick Arsenal " how many red and yellow
cards have you got.

In retrispect, this must be the first time Whinger has actually seen
something on the pitch as it happens. If it involves one of your players
being booked/sent off/attacking an opponent, he always seems to miss
this........

All the best to Eduardo though, hope your up and about soon - Take Alan
Smith as proof you can!!

"Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message @t66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Now let me first of all say that I think Wenger went way too far in
> saying that Taylor should be banned from playing football forever.
> Unless you can demonstrate that he deliberately set out to hurt
> Eduardo, it would be too harsh a punishment. I think the tackle was
> dangerous because it was ill-timed and reckless, but I don't think it
> was malicious. In order to send out a message to all players
> (including any Arsenal ones that may be inclined to make stupid
> tackles) that these kind of tackles are completely unacceptable, this
> Taylor guy should be banned at least for the rest of the season.
>
> However, I have to say that I'm really quite appaled by the number of
> people on the Internet and on the radio phone-ins who are concenrating
> on what was a heat-of-the-moment comment by Wenger regarding "Taylor
> should never play again", rather than the horrific injury itself. In
> an ideal world Wenger should retract this comment when he's cooled
> down a bit, but it's also understandable that he would be annoyed
> about possibly losing an important player forever.
>
> Some of the "comparisons" being cited of similar violent Arsenal
> behaviour are just absurd - as if the tackle by Gallas on Nani last
> weekend was as bad as what happened to Eduardo. As if the challenge in
> December by Eboue on John Terry, that resulted in him suffering from a
> broken metatarsal (I'm sure Eduardo would take that right now), was
> anywhere near as bad as what's happened to poor Eduardo. That's not to
> condone Gallas, Eboue, or any other Arsenal player who's done
> something stupid, but really, there's no comparison to the Eduardo
> incident - a tackle that resulted in injuries so bad that TV stations
> won't even replay it, and many of the players who saw it were clearly
> in distress.
>
> I just think too many rival fans are allowing their dislike of Wenger
> and his heat-of-the-moment remark to cloud the real issue here, which
> is that of a player and, by all accounts, a nice guy who may have had
> his career ended, and
> even if he does somehow make it back, may never be the same again.
>
> Sure, Wenger is one-eyed and biased but I just feel this incident is
> so bad that trying to use it as an opportunity to score a few points
> amonsgst rival fans is pretty tasteless to say the least. In the
> aftermath of such a bad incident we should see common decency not
> attempts at point scoring.
>
> I hope he makes it back and goes on to score a lot of goals for
> Arsenal in the future!

Darn Good Intelligence · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

On 23 Feb, 21:03, "Dave Cox" wrote:

> In retrispect, this must be the first time Whinger has actually seen
> something on the pitch as it happens. If it involves one of your players
> being booked/sent off/attacking an opponent, he always seems to miss
> this........

Most managers are unlikely to "miss" one of their players having his
leg broken in three different places. All managers are biased to their
own players to some extent, and Wenger's bias doesn't detract from how
bad the incident was. What matters here is the incident not Wenger.

RED DEVIL · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 4638

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:13:05 -0800 (PST), Darn Good Intelligence
wrote:

>On 23 Feb, 21:03, "Dave Cox" wrote:
>
>> In retrispect, this must be the first time Whinger has actually seen
>> something on the pitch as it happens. If it involves one of your players
>> being booked/sent off/attacking an opponent, he always seems to miss
>> this........
>
>Most managers are unlikely to "miss" one of their players having his
>leg broken in three different places. All managers are biased to their
>own players to some extent, and Wenger's bias doesn't detract from how
>bad the incident was. What matters here is the incident not Wenger.
>
The players future hangs in the balance and that's what is most
important. It looked horrible but here's hoping he follows Alan
Smith's example and gets back to full fitness ASAP.
What Wenger said was unfortunate and I hope he takes it back (not
holding my breath) He comes off sounding very immature again but the
important thing is the player's health.

RED DEVIL

Darn Good Intelligence · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

On 23 Feb, 21:29, RED DEVIL wrote:

> The players future hangs in the balance and that's what is most
> important. It looked horrible but here's hoping he follows Alan
> Smith's example and gets back to full fitness ASAP.
> What Wenger said was unfortunate and I hope he takes it back (not
> holding my breath) He comes off sounding very immature again but the
> important thing is the player's health.

Agreed.

Swerve · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 464

"Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message @u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 23 Feb, 21:29, RED DEVIL wrote:
>
>> The players future hangs in the balance and that's what is most
>> important. It looked horrible but here's hoping he follows Alan
>> Smith's example and gets back to full fitness ASAP.
>> What Wenger said was unfortunate and I hope he takes it back (not
>> holding my breath) He comes off sounding very immature again but the
>> important thing is the player's health.
>
> Agreed.
>

Aye

One thing I usually *try* to remember is that managers are human beings,
they can often respond emotionally and react in ways that perhaps they
wouldn't if given hindsight.

Bearing the above in mind, I'm not really suprised with Wengers reaction.
How many of us, in the same position, would have said much different.

Here's to the young player and to a full recovery.

cupra · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1777

Swerve wrote:
> "Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message
> @u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On 23 Feb, 21:29, RED DEVIL wrote:
>>
>>> The players future hangs in the balance and that's what is most
>>> important. It looked horrible but here's hoping he follows Alan
>>> Smith's example and gets back to full fitness ASAP.
>>> What Wenger said was unfortunate and I hope he takes it back
>>> (not holding my breath) He comes off sounding very immature again
>>> but the important thing is the player's health.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>
> Aye
>
> One thing I usually *try* to remember is that managers are human
> beings, they can often respond emotionally and react in ways that
> perhaps they wouldn't if given hindsight.
>
> Bearing the above in mind, I'm not really suprised with Wengers
> reaction. How many of us, in the same position, would have said much
> different.
> Here's to the young player and to a full recovery.

Absolutley agree with you there - if we went digging we could probably pull
a 'heat of the moment' quote from most managers...

Manx Gunner · Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 346

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:56:16 -0000, Swerve wrote...

>
> "Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message
> @u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On 23 Feb, 21:29, RED DEVIL wrote:
> >
> >> The players future hangs in the balance and that's what is most
> >> important. It looked horrible but here's hoping he follows Alan
> >> Smith's example and gets back to full fitness ASAP.
> >> What Wenger said was unfortunate and I hope he takes it back (not
> >> holding my breath) He comes off sounding very immature again but the
> >> important thing is the player's health.
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
>
> Aye
>
> One thing I usually *try* to remember is that managers are human beings,
> they can often respond emotionally and react in ways that perhaps they
> wouldn't if given hindsight.
>
> Bearing the above in mind, I'm not really suprised with Wengers reaction.
> How many of us, in the same position, would have said much different.
>
> Here's to the young player and to a full recovery.

Well said, Swerve. Drivel almost pulled off the same trip on the high
road, but he stumbled at the end.

RED DEVIL · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 4638

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:08:56 -0500, Manx Gunner
wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:56:16 -0000, Swerve wrote...
>
>>
>> "Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message
>> @u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> > On 23 Feb, 21:29, RED DEVIL wrote:
>> >
>> >> The players future hangs in the balance and that's what is most
>> >> important. It looked horrible but here's hoping he follows Alan
>> >> Smith's example and gets back to full fitness ASAP.
>> >> What Wenger said was unfortunate and I hope he takes it back (not
>> >> holding my breath) He comes off sounding very immature again but the
>> >> important thing is the player's health.
>> >
>> > Agreed.
>> >
>>
>> Aye
>>
>> One thing I usually *try* to remember is that managers are human beings,
>> they can often respond emotionally and react in ways that perhaps they
>> wouldn't if given hindsight.
>>
>> Bearing the above in mind, I'm not really suprised with Wengers reaction.
>> How many of us, in the same position, would have said much different.
>>
>> Here's to the young player and to a full recovery.
>
>Well said, Swerve. Drivel almost pulled off the same trip on the high
>road, but he stumbled at the end.

While all you have done since the match ended is bitch, bitch,
bitch...
"It was the Ref" "we were cheated"....blah blah blah

Haven't seen anything from you regarding your players terrible injury

Grow up sonny!

RED DEVIL

Robert Nicholson · Joined: 23 Feb 2008 Posts: 1

On Feb 23, 4:38 pm, RED DEVIL wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:08:56 -0500, Manx Gunner
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:56:16 -0000, Swerve wrote...
>
> >> "Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message
> >>@u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com....
> >> > On 23 Feb, 21:29, RED DEVIL wrote:
>
> >> >> The players future hangs in the balance and that's what is most
> >> >> important. It looked horrible but here's hoping he follows Alan
> >> >> Smith's example and gets back to full fitness ASAP.
> >> >> What Wenger said was unfortunate and I hope he takes it back (not
> >> >> holding my breath) He comes off sounding very immature again but the
> >> >> important thing is the player's health.
>
> >> > Agreed.
>
> >> Aye
>
> >> One thing I usually *try* to remember is that managers are human beings,
> >> they can often respond emotionally and react in ways that perhaps they
> >> wouldn't if given hindsight.
>
> >> Bearing the above in mind, I'm not really suprised with Wengers reaction.
> >> How many of us, in the same position, would have said much different.
>
> >> Here's to the young player and to a full recovery.
It's unfortunate that at the time contact is made with the players
ankle that all his weight seems to be on his left leg which means
there's no where for it to go when it's hit. Often if the leg can move
in the air it can absorb some of the impact but when the players full
weight is on the leg the leg bears the full force of the impact and
that's what has happened in this tackle. That is why challenges like
this sometimes result in no serious injury.

I wish the player a speedy recovery and I'm saddened for Eduardo.

Wenger has already admitted that he spoke out emotionally when calling
for a life ban and has already retracted that comment. I expect to see
a ban in terms of weeks not months for Taylor.

>
> >Well said, Swerve. Drivel almost pulled off the same trip on the high
> >road, but he stumbled at the end.
>
> While all you have done since the match ended is bitch, bitch,
> bitch...
> "It was the Ref" "we were cheated"....blah blah blah
>
> Haven't seen anything from you regarding your players terrible injury
>
> Grow up sonny!
>
> RED DEVIL

Slitheen · Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 249

"Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message @t66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Now let me first of all say that I think Wenger went way too far in
> saying that Taylor should be banned from playing football forever.....

I don't think people are trying to point score. What has been said? The
tackle was horrendous.....everyone is concerned for the injured player, and
AW said something really, really stupid. It's just people saying what
happened.

I'm glad AW has apologised for what he said, though, and I'd like to think
he genuinely meant it. I can't stand the man, if I'm honest, but if he meant
that retraction from the bottom of his heart, then credit where it's due. It
needed to be said.

It should be noted that Taylor has rightly apologised, too. While it is
obvious he never meant to do it, as Eduardo clearly whipped the ball away
too quickly for any human to react, his studs were showing and it was a
reckless move. I've seen far worse tackles, though, but few worse outcomes.
It was a tragic accident. I'm sure all fans of football hope to god it
doesn't end the lad's career.

--
Slitheen.
Manchester United - Championees.

Slitheen · Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 249

"RED DEVIL" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:08:56 -0500, Manx Gunner
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:56:16 -0000, Swerve wrote...
>>
>>>
>>> "Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message
>>> @u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> > On 23 Feb, 21:29, RED DEVIL wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The players future hangs in the balance and that's what is most
>>> >> important. It looked horrible but here's hoping he follows Alan
>>> >> Smith's example and gets back to full fitness ASAP.
>>> >> What Wenger said was unfortunate and I hope he takes it back (not
>>> >> holding my breath) He comes off sounding very immature again but the
>>> >> important thing is the player's health.
>>> >
>>> > Agreed.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Aye
>>>
>>> One thing I usually *try* to remember is that managers are human beings,
>>> they can often respond emotionally and react in ways that perhaps they
>>> wouldn't if given hindsight.
>>>
>>> Bearing the above in mind, I'm not really suprised with Wengers
>>> reaction.
>>> How many of us, in the same position, would have said much different.
>>>
>>> Here's to the young player and to a full recovery.
>>
>>Well said, Swerve. Drivel almost pulled off the same trip on the high
>>road, but he stumbled at the end.
>
> While all you have done since the match ended is bitch, bitch,
> bitch...
> "It was the Ref" "we were cheated"....blah blah blah
>
> Haven't seen anything from you regarding your players terrible injury
>
> Grow up sonny!

Don't waste your time, Red. He's a cretin. You have been exemplary in your
comments over this incident. Yet he's a gooner and all he has done is
bemoaned the game not going his way.
--
Slitheen.
Manchester United - Championees.

Slitheen · Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 249

"RED DEVIL" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:13:05 -0800 (PST), Darn Good Intelligence
> wrote:
>
>>On 23 Feb, 21:03, "Dave Cox" wrote:
>>
>>> In retrispect, this must be the first time Whinger has actually seen
>>> something on the pitch as it happens. If it involves one of your players
>>> being booked/sent off/attacking an opponent, he always seems to miss
>>> this........
>>
>>Most managers are unlikely to "miss" one of their players having his
>>leg broken in three different places. All managers are biased to their
>>own players to some extent, and Wenger's bias doesn't detract from how
>>bad the incident was. What matters here is the incident not Wenger.
>>
> The players future hangs in the balance and that's what is most
> important. It looked horrible but here's hoping he follows Alan
> Smith's example and gets back to full fitness ASAP.
> What Wenger said was unfortunate and I hope he takes it back (not
> holding my breath) He comes off sounding very immature again but the
> important thing is the player's health.
>

Well at least we got the retraction. I don't know if it was technically an
apology, but it's the next best thing. Credit where it's due.

I still do not like the man. I can't remember him admitting to seeing a
tackle committed by a Gunner, but when it's the other way around, he's see
it and can bring himself to comment....and obviously go a comment too far.
--
Slitheen.
Manchester United - Championees.

Slitheen · Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 249

"Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message @d5g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 23 Feb, 21:03, "Dave Cox" wrote:
>
>> In retrispect, this must be the first time Whinger has actually seen
>> something on the pitch as it happens. If it involves one of your players
>> being booked/sent off/attacking an opponent, he always seems to miss
>> this........
>
> Most managers are unlikely to "miss" one of their players having his
> leg broken in three different places. All managers are biased to their
> own players to some extent, and Wenger's bias doesn't detract from how
> bad the incident was. What matters here is the incident not Wenger.
>
>

Rarely have I heard SAF say he "didn't see it".... unless he actually never
saw it. He'll comment on challenges made both ways. Sometimes the comment
may be slightly biased, he's human, but if he saw it he'll say he did. AW
though? Mmmmm...!?

Slitheen · Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 249

"The Doctor" wrote in message $s6d$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article ,
> Slitheen wrote:
>>"Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message
>>@t66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> Now let me first of all say that I think Wenger went way too far in
>>> saying that Taylor should be banned from playing football forever.....
>>
>>I don't think people are trying to point score. What has been said? The
>>tackle was horrendous.....everyone is concerned for the injured player,
>>and
>>AW said something really, really stupid. It's just people saying what
>>happened.
>>
>>I'm glad AW has apologised for what he said, though, and I'd like to think
>>he genuinely meant it. I can't stand the man, if I'm honest, but if he
>>meant
>>that retraction from the bottom of his heart, then credit where it's due.
>>It
>>needed to be said.
>>
>>It should be noted that Taylor has rightly apologised, too. While it is
>>obvious he never meant to do it, as Eduardo clearly whipped the ball away
>>too quickly for any human to react, his studs were showing and it was a
>>reckless move. I've seen far worse tackles, though, but few worse
>>outcomes.
>>It was a tragic accident. I'm sure all fans of football hope to god it
>>doesn't end the lad's career.
>>
>>--
>>Slitheen.
>>Manchester United - Championees.
>>
>>
>
> What are you, a fat farting alien?
> --

Did my posting name give it away? Damn!

Eduardo pic... Not for the weak stomached, etc. ~LR

Eduardo Horrible injury, here's wishing him a fast recovery! RED DEVIL

Eduardo The guy just can't stop scoring. Croatia win 1-0 and it's Eduardo again. I hope he can start doing that for us, although with Adebayor not going to the ANC he has more time to bed in than expected.

Eduardo

Get well soon Eduardo. No one wants to see that sort of injury, no matter who you play for. I hope he gets a decent prognosis and makes a speedy return. Good luck chief. GW