Premiership games abroad ...

Le Dieu · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 3454

....If clubs like Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc having foreign owners was the
first nail in football's coffin, playing Premiership matches abroad will of
course be like a great fat bloke sitting on the lid as it's lowered into its
grave.

Like another poster here, I will not be renewing my STs the first season the
Premiership announce that United are to play a proper league game in another
country. It will be the death of proper football as we know it. And there'll
be nothing we can do about it.

Interesting that it's the managers one respects that have spoken out against
this mad, greedy, fatally dangerous idea. O'Neill, Moyes, SAF.

And those one has little or no respect for that welcome it, like Keegan and
Wenger.

This isn't the beginning of the end. It's the end of the beginning of the
end. The death of football isn't yet inevitable. But it's looking more
likely with every meeting that the fat greedy, football-running bastards
hold.

A. Dieu.

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Baldoni · Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 454

Le Dieu formulated the question :

1/10 not worth the effort of typing mate.

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Darth Simian · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 2055

"Le Dieu" wrote in message
news:%S%qj.6414$zg.5125@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> ...If clubs like Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc having foreign owners was the
> first nail in football's coffin, playing Premiership matches abroad will
> of course be like a great fat bloke sitting on the lid as it's lowered
> into its grave.
>
> Like another poster here, I will not be renewing my STs the first season
> the Premiership announce that United are to play a proper league game in
> another country. It will be the death of proper football as we know it.
> And there'll be nothing we can do about it.
>
> Interesting that it's the managers one respects that have spoken out
> against this mad, greedy, fatally dangerous idea. O'Neill, Moyes, SAF.
>
> And those one has little or no respect for that welcome it, like Keegan
> and Wenger.
>
> This isn't the beginning of the end. It's the end of the beginning of the
> end. The death of football isn't yet inevitable. But it's looking more
> likely with every meeting that the fat greedy, football-running bastards
> hold.
>
> A. Dieu.
>

I can't see fat Sepp letting it through without a fight. The Japanese FA
have already come out and said they will try to stop PL games in their
country. Hard to see the future is, but I don't believe this idea will get
off the ground.
--
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony.
Where there is error, may we bring truth.
Where there is doubt, may we bring faith.
And where there is despair, may we bring hope.
Margaret Thatcher, 3rd May 1979.
http://www.conservatives.com

Google Beta User · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 313

I'm not yet sure how I feel about this, I'm rather neutral....but let
me throw two questions out there:

1) If a British citizen is eating fries from McDonalds, and takes
frequent safari trips to Kenya, and drives Mitsubishi's or Toyotas,
and etc....anyway, money is being channeled out. That is why I have
never understood why the big outcry over foreigners at Arsenal. It is
simply a reflection of London. Why is it a sudden outcry when matches
are played abroad? Anyway everything is getting globalized.

2) Take Manchester United. How much of their massive wealth is from
success outside of the UK? Do fans there "deserve" to get to watch a
team that they're paying and supporting, up close? (A solution to this
could've been continuing the pre-season friendly circuits, but that'd
cut add matches to the calender. I for one could live with smaller
leagues - 16-18 teams, if it means more such friendlies, and more
internationals too).

Darth Simian · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 2055

"Google Beta User" wrote in message @m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> I'm not yet sure how I feel about this, I'm rather neutral....but let
> me throw two questions out there:
>
> 1) If a British citizen is eating fries from McDonalds, and takes
> frequent safari trips to Kenya, and drives Mitsubishi's or Toyotas,
> and etc....anyway, money is being channeled out. That is why I have
> never understood why the big outcry over foreigners at Arsenal. It is
> simply a reflection of London. Why is it a sudden outcry when matches
> are played abroad? Anyway everything is getting globalized.
>
> 2) Take Manchester United. How much of their massive wealth is from
> success outside of the UK? Do fans there "deserve" to get to watch a
> team that they're paying and supporting, up close? (A solution to this
> could've been continuing the pre-season friendly circuits, but that'd
> cut add matches to the calender. I for one could live with smaller
> leagues - 16-18 teams, if it means more such friendlies, and more
> internationals too).
>

If you do not oppose this move by the Premier League, you are my enemy, and
you are an enemy of English football.
--
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony.
Where there is error, may we bring truth.
Where there is doubt, may we bring faith.
And where there is despair, may we bring hope.
Margaret Thatcher, 3rd May 1979.
http://www.conservatives.com

Lawrence Jenkins · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 237

"Le Dieu" wrote in message
news:%S%qj.6414$zg.5125@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> ...If clubs like Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc having foreign owners was the
> first nail in football's coffin, playing Premiership matches abroad will
> of course be like a great fat bloke sitting on the lid as it's lowered
> into its grave.
>
> Like another poster here, I will not be renewing my STs the first season
> the Premiership announce that United are to play a proper league game in
> another country. It will be the death of proper football as we know it.
> And there'll be nothing we can do about it.
>
> Interesting that it's the managers one respects that have spoken out
> against this mad, greedy, fatally dangerous idea. O'Neill, Moyes, SAF.
>
> And those one has little or no respect for that welcome it, like Keegan
> and Wenger.
>
Add Roy Keane to that list of little or no respect.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/default.stm

JohnSongwriter54 · Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 17

On 8 Feb, 17:18, Google Beta User wrote:
> I'm not yet sure how I feel about this, I'm rather neutral....but let
> me throw two questions out there:
>
> 1) If a British citizen is eating fries from McDonalds, and takes
> frequent safari trips to Kenya, and drives Mitsubishi's or Toyotas,
> and etc....anyway, money is being channeled out. That is why I have
> never understood why the big outcry over foreigners at Arsenal. It is
> simply a reflection of London. Why is it a sudden outcry when matches
> are played abroad? Anyway everything is getting globalized.
>
> 2) Take Manchester United. How much of their massive wealth is from
> success outside of the UK? Do fans there "deserve" to get to watch a
> team that they're paying and supporting, up close? (A solution to this
> could've been continuing the pre-season friendly circuits, but that'd
> cut add matches to the calender. I for one could live with smaller
> leagues - 16-18 teams, if it means more such friendlies, and more
> internationals too).

Personally, if I could have a Premiership where each team consisted of
mostly home-grown talent, where wearing the shirt meant something
special, where playing for your home town team was more important than
any massive salary offer - that's what I'd go for. And I know that
such regionalism goes against much of my other more worldly thinking.

But we've gone too far beyond any semblance of that now. However,
rather than this stupid idea of playing a match abroad, I'd want to
see some ideas of a European Super League (with promotion from
national leagues) properly debated.

Or a debate on how we get back to the old values. No, really.

Google Beta User · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 313

On Feb 8, 12:32 pm, JohnSongwrite...@googlemail.com wrote:

> Personally, if I could have a Premiership where each team consisted of
> mostly home-grown talent, where wearing the shirt meant something
> special, where playing for your home town team was more important than
> any massive salary offer - that's what I'd go for.

Cantona, Owen, Bergkamp, Ashley Cole

Slippery slope.

Two of those are not like the other two.

Two of those are homegrown.

Two of those "played for the shirt".

Graybags · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 675

As I said in an earlier thread, I think it's a great idea. However, rather
than 39 games, I'd like to see a regular season fixture done this way. One
year it would be an away fixture, the next a home fixture (averaged over the
years to allow all teams to play all other teams over a long period of
years).

Graybags
"Le Dieu" wrote in message
news:%S%qj.6414$zg.5125@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> ...If clubs like Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc having foreign owners was the
> first nail in football's coffin, playing Premiership matches abroad will
> of course be like a great fat bloke sitting on the lid as it's lowered
> into its grave.
>
> Like another poster here, I will not be renewing my STs the first season
> the Premiership announce that United are to play a proper league game in
> another country. It will be the death of proper football as we know it.
> And there'll be nothing we can do about it.
>
> Interesting that it's the managers one respects that have spoken out
> against this mad, greedy, fatally dangerous idea. O'Neill, Moyes, SAF.
>
> And those one has little or no respect for that welcome it, like Keegan
> and Wenger.
>
> This isn't the beginning of the end. It's the end of the beginning of the
> end. The death of football isn't yet inevitable. But it's looking more
> likely with every meeting that the fat greedy, football-running bastards
> hold.
>
> A. Dieu.
>
>
>

Le Dieu · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 3454

"Graybags" wrote in message @mid.individual.net...
> As I said in an earlier thread, I think it's a great idea. However, rather
> than 39 games, I'd like to see a regular season fixture done this way. One
> year it would be an away fixture, the next a home fixture (averaged over
> the years to allow all teams to play all other teams over a long period of
> years).

An incredibly stupid suggestion.

The whole point of the Premiership is that every team plays the same
opponents twice, home and away, travelling the same distances to the exact
same grounds as everyone else.

Every single year it is won by the best team measured equally against all
the others.

The new idea, and your stupid suggestion, adds an element of lucky
advantage/disadvantage in where a team fighting for the league, or against
relegation, is drawn and who against.

Team A could travel to Melbourne for a tricky fixture while their rivals
travel to a nearer venue for an easier game. The team who played in
Melbourne would also be affected by their travel for days, if not weeks, to
come.

Suddenly the luck of the draw is introduced and the league is not
necessarily won by the best side, but by the side who had the less difficult
foreign fixture. The same for the teams relegated.

The league has to be played over a perfectly even playing field for all
sides, or it holds no value whatsoever.

A. Dieu.

Jesper Nøhr Andersen · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 627

>> As I said in an earlier thread, I think it's a great idea. However,
>> rather than 39 games, I'd like to see a regular season fixture done this
>> way. One year it would be an away fixture, the next a home fixture
>> (averaged over the years to allow all teams to play all other teams over
>> a long period of years).
>
>
> An incredibly stupid suggestion.
>
> The whole point of the Premiership is that every team plays the same
> opponents twice, home and away, travelling the same distances to the exact
> same grounds as everyone else.
>
> Every single year it is won by the best team measured equally against all
> the others.
>
> The new idea, and your stupid suggestion, adds an element of lucky
> advantage/disadvantage in where a team fighting for the league, or against
> relegation, is drawn and who against.
>
> Team A could travel to Melbourne for a tricky fixture while their rivals
> travel to a nearer venue for an easier game. The team who played in
> Melbourne would also be affected by their travel for days, if not weeks,
> to come.
>
> Suddenly the luck of the draw is introduced and the league is not
> necessarily won by the best side, but by the side who had the less
> difficult foreign fixture. The same for the teams relegated.
>
> The league has to be played over a perfectly even playing field for all
> sides, or it holds no value whatsoever.

I agree completely.

If it was to go through I suggest that the matches are played just before
the new season. Last seasons number one plays number 2. 3 against 4 and so
on. The winner of the match gets 1 point for the new season, no points for
draws or losses. That would make it entertaining and competitive and not
have a too great impact on the 'real' PL. This round could then replace the
insignificant Community Shield.

Baldoni · Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 454

Darth Simian pretended :
> "Google Beta User" wrote in message
> @m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> I'm not yet sure how I feel about this, I'm rather neutral....but let
>> me throw two questions out there:
>>
>> 1) If a British citizen is eating fries from McDonalds, and takes
>> frequent safari trips to Kenya, and drives Mitsubishi's or Toyotas,
>> and etc....anyway, money is being channeled out. That is why I have
>> never understood why the big outcry over foreigners at Arsenal. It is
>> simply a reflection of London. Why is it a sudden outcry when matches
>> are played abroad? Anyway everything is getting globalized.
>>
>> 2) Take Manchester United. How much of their massive wealth is from
>> success outside of the UK? Do fans there "deserve" to get to watch a
>> team that they're paying and supporting, up close? (A solution to this
>> could've been continuing the pre-season friendly circuits, but that'd
>> cut add matches to the calender. I for one could live with smaller
>> leagues - 16-18 teams, if it means more such friendlies, and more
>> internationals too).
>>
>
> If you do not oppose this move by the Premier League, you are my enemy, and
> you are an enemy of English football.

Damn right as well !

--
Count Baldoni

Rach · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 126

aaa wrote:
> On Feb 8, 8:58 am, "Le Dieu" wrote:
>> ...If clubs like Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc having foreign owners was the
>> first nail in football's coffin, playing Premiership matches abroad will of
>> course be like a great fat bloke sitting on the lid as it's lowered into its
>> grave.
>>
>> Like another poster here, I will not be renewing my STs the first season the
>> Premiership announce that United are to play a proper league game in another
>> country. It will be the death of proper football as we know it. And there'll
>> be nothing we can do about it.
>>
>> Interesting that it's the managers one respects that have spoken out against
>> this mad, greedy, fatally dangerous idea. O'Neill, Moyes, SAF.
>>
>> And those one has little or no respect for that welcome it, like Keegan and
>> Wenger.
>>
>> This isn't the beginning of the end. It's the end of the beginning of the
>> end. The death of football isn't yet inevitable. But it's looking more
>> likely with every meeting that the fat greedy, football-running bastards
>> hold.
>>
>> A. Dieu.
>
> You are being hysterical. Your team is already playing lots of games
> abroad every season.

Yeah, in a European competition. The English Premier League should be
played in England and no where else.

Darth Simian · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 2055

>product
anybody who refers to a game of football as a "product", is a tw@.

aaa · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 128

On Feb 8, 11:24 am, "b" wrote:

> But I'd rather stick 6 goals past Millwall than beat AC Milan 1-0 any day of
> the week.
You gotta find yourself another team first Smile

Dec games on Tv All our games in December are on TV in one form or and Setanta! and bloody right as well :-)) -- David "That Damn Butterfly"

Arsenal games in the US Anyone know how to see EPL in the states I'm moving to Virginia and need to know how I can keep watching Arsenal (EPL/CL and if possible FA/CC).

Adebayor ban extended to 4 games The FA are corrupt, the FA are liars... I would love Arsenal to take them to court over this...

Games against L'pool, Chelsea and ManU? Last season, a table only including games between the top 4 clubs, Arsenal would top, Chelsea 2nd and ManU 3rd. We all know that ManU became Champions while Arsenal came in 4th. The next 2 PL games are big, but by no means "Season defining".

WE ARE TOP OF THE PREMIERSHIP VILLA 2 V CHELSEA RENTBOYS 0 lol. :)