Luke Moore

\\¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/ · Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 29

Wasn't he being touted as a next Wonder-Kid a while ago?
At 21, I think a capped England Under-21 player for £3.5M isn't THAT big a
bump.

I think we could get a better player for £3M, but maybe at the expense of
youth and premiership experience.

What does anyone else think?

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Will · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 780

\¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/ wrote:
> Wasn't he being touted as a next Wonder-Kid a while ago?
> At 21, I think a capped England Under-21 player for £3.5M isn't THAT big a
> bump.
>
> I think we could get a better player for £3M, but maybe at the expense of
> youth and premiership experience.
>
> What does anyone else think?
>
> biz

Michael Ball was the next wonderkid too.

Derek Johnston is on the wireless now, pretending he knows who Luke
Moore is, saying it would be "great business". This is the same Derek
Johnston that said £1.9mil for a full german internationalist was "risky".

He's an alright player, but £3.5m is crazy money for an SPL side to be
splashing.

andy · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1601

" \¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/" wrote in message @bt.com...
> Wasn't he being touted as a next Wonder-Kid a while ago?
> At 21, I think a capped England Under-21 player for £3.5M isn't THAT big a
> bump.
>
> I think we could get a better player for £3M, but maybe at the expense of
> youth and premiership experience.
>
> What does anyone else think?
>
> biz
> --
> www.bebo.com/bizenya79
> www.myspace.com/bizenya
> It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or
> lose. - Weinberg
>

We dont need him

Voice Of Reason · Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 17

"andy" wrote in message @bt.com...
>
> " \¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/" wrote in message
> @bt.com...
>> Wasn't he being touted as a next Wonder-Kid a while ago?
>> At 21, I think a capped England Under-21 player for £3.5M isn't THAT big
>> a bump.
>>
>> I think we could get a better player for £3M, but maybe at the expense of
>> youth and premiership experience.
>>
>> What does anyone else think?
>>
>> biz
>> --
>> www.bebo.com/bizenya79
>> www.myspace.com/bizenya
>> It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or
>> lose. - Weinberg
>>
>
> We dont need him

I dont think Rangers need another striker, if they give Kris Boyd a decent
run in the team he should be able to assert himself as a first pick, with
the likes of Naismith, Novo and Burke buzzing down the wings and putting
crosses in you need , IMO, a poacher in the box to dispatch them into the
net and Kris is the very man to do that. His record compared to Cousin this
season even though he has started fewer games is better. The only thing I
think Cousin has over Boyd is upper body strength and a bit more pace, apart
from that I would say Kris is the better striker

Boyd P 13 (8 as sub) Scored 10
Cousin P 18 (8 as sub) Scored 9

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FishSupper · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 46

"Voice Of Reason" wrote in message @corp.supernews.com...
> "andy" wrote in message
> @bt.com...
>>
>> " \¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/" wrote in message
>> @bt.com...
>>> Wasn't he being touted as a next Wonder-Kid a while ago?
>>> At 21, I think a capped England Under-21 player for £3.5M isn't THAT big
>>> a bump.
>>>
>>> I think we could get a better player for £3M, but maybe at the expense
>>> of youth and premiership experience.
>>>
>>> What does anyone else think?
>>>
>>> biz
>>> --
>>> www.bebo.com/bizenya79
>>> www.myspace.com/bizenya
>>> It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or
>>> lose. - Weinberg
>>>
>>
>> We dont need him
>
>
> I dont think Rangers need another striker, if they give Kris Boyd a decent
> run in the team he should be able to assert himself as a first pick, with
> the likes of Naismith, Novo and Burke buzzing down the wings and putting
> crosses in you need , IMO, a poacher in the box to dispatch them into the
> net and Kris is the very man to do that. His record compared to Cousin
> this season even though he has started fewer games is better. The only
> thing I think Cousin has over Boyd is upper body strength and a bit more
> pace, apart from that I would say Kris is the better striker
>
> Boyd P 13 (8 as sub) Scored 10
> Cousin P 18 (8 as sub) Scored 9
>

How many game-winning goals for Boyd as opposed to Cousin? Boyd seems to
score a lot of 92nd minute goals in 3-0 victories

liam · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 229

"Voice Of Reason" wrote
>>>
>>
>> We dont need him
>
> I dont think Rangers need another striker, if they give Kris Boyd a decent
> run in the team he should be able to assert himself as a first pick, with
> the likes of Naismith, Novo and Burke buzzing down the wings and putting
> crosses in you need , IMO, a poacher in the box to dispatch them into the
> net and Kris is the very man to do that. His record compared to Cousin
> this season even though he has started fewer games is better. The only
> thing I think Cousin has over Boyd is upper body strength and a bit more
> pace, apart from that I would say Kris is the better striker
>
> Boyd P 13 (8 as sub) Scored 10
> Cousin P 18 (8 as sub) Scored 9

I'd be amazed if Rangers went with Boyd as their one up front. Smith
described Cousin as a "conundrum" last weekend, and to think that you would
go with a guy that couldn;t get a start ahead of a "conundrum" would, imho,
have most Celtic fans rubbing their hands with glee. I just can't see Smith
sitting on the cash. I'd be very sceptical about Rangers chances of winning
the league with Boyd up front but you never know...

FishSupper · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 46

"FishSupper" wrote in message @bt.com...
>
> "Voice Of Reason" wrote in message
> @corp.supernews.com...
>> "andy" wrote in message
>> @bt.com...
>>>
>>> " \¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/" wrote in message
>>> @bt.com...
>>>> Wasn't he being touted as a next Wonder-Kid a while ago?
>>>> At 21, I think a capped England Under-21 player for £3.5M isn't THAT
>>>> big a bump.
>>>>
>>>> I think we could get a better player for £3M, but maybe at the expense
>>>> of youth and premiership experience.
>>>>
>>>> What does anyone else think?
>>>>
>>>> biz
>>>> --
>>>> www.bebo.com/bizenya79
>>>> www.myspace.com/bizenya
>>>> It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win
>>>> or lose. - Weinberg
>>>>
>>>
>>> We dont need him
>>
>>
>> I dont think Rangers need another striker, if they give Kris Boyd a
>> decent run in the team he should be able to assert himself as a first
>> pick, with the likes of Naismith, Novo and Burke buzzing down the wings
>> and putting crosses in you need , IMO, a poacher in the box to dispatch
>> them into the net and Kris is the very man to do that. His record
>> compared to Cousin this season even though he has started fewer games is
>> better. The only thing I think Cousin has over Boyd is upper body
>> strength and a bit more pace, apart from that I would say Kris is the
>> better striker
>>
>> Boyd P 13 (8 as sub) Scored 10
>> Cousin P 18 (8 as sub) Scored 9
>>
>
> How many game-winning goals for Boyd as opposed to Cousin? Boyd seems to
> score a lot of 92nd minute goals in 3-0 victories

or hat-tricks in 6-0 victories

Angof · Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 48

FishSupper wrote:
> "FishSupper" wrote in message
> @bt.com...
>>
>> "Voice Of Reason" wrote in message
>>
>> How many game-winning goals for Boyd as opposed to Cousin? Boyd
>> seems to score a lot of 92nd minute goals in 3-0 victories
>
> or hat-tricks in 6-0 victories

....or he just seems to score a lot.

FishSupper · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 46

"Angof" wrote in message @corp.supernews.com...
> FishSupper wrote:
>> "FishSupper" wrote in message
>> @bt.com...
>>>
>>> "Voice Of Reason" wrote in message
>>>
>>> How many game-winning goals for Boyd as opposed to Cousin? Boyd
>>> seems to score a lot of 92nd minute goals in 3-0 victories
>>
>> or hat-tricks in 6-0 victories
>
> ...or he just seems to score a lot.

That he does. But the value of a striker surely has to be when he scores and
against who he scores. Boyd doesn't do it often enough in the big games and
hardly ever in the wee games either.

Boyd's winning goals so far:

v Gretna (1st goal in a 4-0 win)
v ICT (1st goal in a 2-0 win)

In other words, he hasn't scored one single decisive goal this season, since
we would have won these games anyway.

Compare with:

Darchevilles winning goals:

v ICT in a 1-0 win
v Killie (1st goal in a 2-0 win)
v Falkirk (2nd goal in a 3-1 win)
v Killie (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
v VFB Stuttgart (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)

Cousin's winning goals
V Gretna (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
V Hibs (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
V Falkirk (3nd goal in a 7-2 win)

McCulloch's winning goals

v Hearts (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
v Aberdeen (1st goal in a 3-0 win)
v Lyon (1st goal in a 3-0 win)

Even Ferguson, Novo, Beasley and Naismith have had more impact in terms of
important goals scored.

I don't doubt that Boyd has potential to be an Ibrox Great - but he's miles
away from being anywhere near there at the moment and he's even further away
from being nearly as good as he thinks he is.

Angof · Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 48

FishSupper wrote:
> "Angof" wrote in message
> @corp.supernews.com...
>> FishSupper wrote:
>>> "FishSupper" wrote in message
>>> @bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Voice Of Reason" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> How many game-winning goals for Boyd as opposed to Cousin? Boyd
>>>> seems to score a lot of 92nd minute goals in 3-0 victories
>>>
>>> or hat-tricks in 6-0 victories
>>
>> ...or he just seems to score a lot.
>
> That he does. But the value of a striker surely has to be when he
> scores and against who he scores. Boyd doesn't do it often enough in
> the big games and hardly ever in the wee games either.
>
>
> Boyd's winning goals so far:
>
> v Gretna (1st goal in a 4-0 win)
> v ICT (1st goal in a 2-0 win)
>
> In other words, he hasn't scored one single decisive goal this
> season, since we would have won these games anyway.
>
>
> Compare with:
>
> Darchevilles winning goals:
>
> v ICT in a 1-0 win
> v Killie (1st goal in a 2-0 win)
> v Falkirk (2nd goal in a 3-1 win)
> v Killie (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
> v VFB Stuttgart (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
>
> Cousin's winning goals
> V Gretna (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
> V Hibs (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
> V Falkirk (3nd goal in a 7-2 win)
>
> McCulloch's winning goals
>
> v Hearts (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
> v Aberdeen (1st goal in a 3-0 win)
> v Lyon (1st goal in a 3-0 win)
>
>
> Even Ferguson, Novo, Beasley and Naismith have had more impact in
> terms of important goals scored.
>
> I don't doubt that Boyd has potential to be an Ibrox Great - but he's
> miles away from being anywhere near there at the moment and he's even
> further away from being nearly as good as he thinks he is.

I've no idea how good he thinks he is. It's true that his record in big
games is not the best. Analysing individual goals as you have here makes
little sense though. For example...Boyd would probably have taken the
penalty v Stuttgart had he been on (may not have missed the sitter v Lyon
come to that). Fact is he has not been in the position to score those
decisive goals as he hasn't been on the field for the most part. Whatever
his strengths and weaknesses as a player...I think he'll score more goals
than JCD or Cousin.

Voice Of Reason · Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 17

"FishSupper" wrote in message @bt.com...
>
> "Angof" wrote in message
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>> FishSupper wrote:
>>> "FishSupper" wrote in message
>>> @bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Voice Of Reason" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> How many game-winning goals for Boyd as opposed to Cousin? Boyd
>>>> seems to score a lot of 92nd minute goals in 3-0 victories
>>>
>>> or hat-tricks in 6-0 victories
>>
>> ...or he just seems to score a lot.
>
> That he does. But the value of a striker surely has to be when he scores
> and against who he scores. Boyd doesn't do it often enough in the big
> games and hardly ever in the wee games either.
>
>
> Boyd's winning goals so far:
>
> v Gretna (1st goal in a 4-0 win)
> v ICT (1st goal in a 2-0 win)
>
> In other words, he hasn't scored one single decisive goal this season,
> since we would have won these games anyway.
>
>
> Compare with:
>
> Darchevilles winning goals:
>
> v ICT in a 1-0 win
> v Killie (1st goal in a 2-0 win)
> v Falkirk (2nd goal in a 3-1 win)
> v Killie (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
> v VFB Stuttgart (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
>
> Cousin's winning goals
> V Gretna (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
> V Hibs (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
> V Falkirk (3nd goal in a 7-2 win)
>
> McCulloch's winning goals
>
> v Hearts (2nd goal in a 2-1 win)
> v Aberdeen (1st goal in a 3-0 win)
> v Lyon (1st goal in a 3-0 win)
>
>
> Even Ferguson, Novo, Beasley and Naismith have had more impact in terms of
> important goals scored.
>
> I don't doubt that Boyd has potential to be an Ibrox Great - but he's
> miles away from being anywhere near there at the moment and he's even
> further away from being nearly as good as he thinks he is.

It doesnt matter when a goal is scored as long as it is scored before the
final whistle, I'm sure that a few seasons ago when Rangers won the league
by 1 goal celtic would not have minded if their top striker had scored all
his goals in the final minute of the games he played in as long as the GD
column was 1 more than ours. All goals count whether match winning or last
one in a 6 nil rout

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Moody Marco · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 2149

>consistently excelling ourself in Europe, I think we

Weren't Celtic in pot 2 for last season's CL group?

andy · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1601

"Moody Marco" wrote in message @giganews.com...
> >consistently excelling ourself in Europe, I think we
>
> Weren't Celtic in pot 2 for last season's CL group?
>

they were aye

Moody Marco · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 2149

"andy" wrote in message @bt.com...
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> "Moody Marco" wrote in message
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>> >consistently excelling ourself in Europe, I think we
>>
>> Weren't Celtic in pot 2 for last season's CL group?
>>
>
> they were aye
>

Thought so. So reaching the last 16 was not "excelling". The year before
that they got pumped by Bratislava and didn't even drop in to the UEFA Cup.
So this year is the only year under Strachan they can be considered to have
done better than expected. Hardly what you'd call "consistently"...

celticbhoy60 · Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 3

"Moody Marco" wrote in message @giganews.com...
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> "andy" wrote in message
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>> "Moody Marco" wrote in message
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>>> >consistently excelling ourself in Europe, I think we
>>>
>>> Weren't Celtic in pot 2 for last season's CL group?
>>>
>>
>> they were aye
>>
>
> Thought so. So reaching the last 16 was not "excelling". The year before
> that they got pumped by Bratislava and didn't even drop in to the UEFA
> Cup. So this year is the only year under Strachan they can be considered
> to have done better than expected. Hardly what you'd call
> "consistently"...

How did your lot do in last seasons CL? oh, I forgot you didn't make it
LOL

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