Interesting article on Fabregas

RED DEVIL · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 4638

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/comment/article3298407.ece

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Robert Moir · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 147

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I question the use of the word "Interesting" where James Lawton is
concerned.

RED DEVIL · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 4638

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:27:08 GMT, "Robert Moir"
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>I question the use of the word "Interesting" where James Lawton is
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Ian often quotes him and in the past he's always presented a favoured
view of Arsenal. I think Coco called it the "Independent view"

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Baldoni · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 146

It happens that RED DEVIL formulated :
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:27:08 GMT, "Robert Moir"
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>> "RED DEVIL" wrote in message
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>>> http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/comment/article3298407.ece
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>> I question the use of the word "Interesting" where James Lawton is
>> concerned.
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> Ian often quotes him and in the past he's always presented a favoured
> view of Arsenal. I think Coco called it the "Independent view"
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I reckon he is probably one of the best sports reporters in the
country. But how can you sling mud with the disrepute the Utd players
have brought the game into ?

WTF was Ferdinand thinking as well when he hired "drag queens" ?

Is Cesc that different from any of the others of his generation. He
was in the wrong and got found out lets hope he is man enough to deal
with it.

But understand this when he started playing the game look at some of
the older players around that would have watched. Very different from
Bobby Charlton or Allan Ball.

--
Count Baldoni

Robert Moir · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 147

"RED DEVIL" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:27:08 GMT, "Robert Moir"
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>>"RED DEVIL" wrote in message
>>@4ax.com...
>>> http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/comment/article3298407.ece
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>>> RED DEVIL
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>>I question the use of the word "Interesting" where James Lawton is
>>concerned.
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> Ian often quotes him and in the past he's always presented a favoured
> view of Arsenal. I think Coco called it the "Independent view"

Well I'm prepared to be in the wrong, or at least in the minority, but I'm
really not interested in anything Lawton has to say. He's always struck me
as someone who can be counted on to fasten onto whatever trendy viewpoint is
doing the rounds this week and expose it to the kind of detailed analysis
you'd expect from someone who ought to be named "Captain Obvious".

lifes2complicated · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 192

"RED DEVIL" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/comment/article3298407.ece
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lol from the same reporter who gave us "James Lawton: Mourinho exit robs
Blues of vital qualities and gives rivals a lamb ready for slaughter"

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/comment/article2996138.ece

and who, 3 days ago, wrote
"Already, Fabregas has created a wonderful source of light in this Premier
League season. At the age of 20, he has displayed a creative, game-shaping
ability that has become unique in the prolonged absence of Paul Scholes."
http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/comment/article3291553.ece

make your mind up Lawton, is Fabregas hero or villain, can we take you
seriously?

jump on a bandwagon old boy, why not?

Graf Finklestein · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 170

On 1 Jan, 23:45, "lifes2complicated" wrote:

> and who, 3 days ago, wrote
> "Already, Fabregas has created a wonderful source of light in this Premier
> League season. At the age of 20, he has displayed a creative, game-shaping
> ability that has become unique in the prolonged absence of Paul Scholes.

In the article RD posted, Lawton continues to refer to Fabregas's
qualities: "Fabregas's wonderful vein of creativity... has been the
brilliant thread of Arsenal's often breathtaking football". He writes
that he has "the world of football at his feet". And that he is a
"precociously talented, feisty boy who, for the first half of the
season, had been promising to become a man of sublime gifts and vast
influence". So it ain't as if he's suddenly changed his mind and
decides Cesc is shite.

Yes, given all that, and Fabregas's wonderful vein of creativity which
has been the brilliant thread of Arsenal's often breathtaking
football,

> make your mind up Lawton, is Fabregas hero or villain

Maybe - just maybe - rather than having a simplistic black or white,
hero or villain point-of-view, like that of most most football fans,
Lawton is expressing a more objective perspective, one that evaluates
both the lad's qualities and the more unsavory sides to his nature.

Mighty Mouse · Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 35

What I find interesting is that Fabregas is being villified and quotes that
Arteta got sent off because of him are being used. Arteta did put his arm in
Fabregas' face in full view of the referee who was standing less than five
yards from them. That is the reason he was sent off. The critics accuse
Fabregas of over-reacting but I have heard that shout when players have
broken legs and dislocated shoulders. The only person who knows how much
pain Arteta's forearm caused to Fabregas is Fabregas. If Arteta had kept his
arms to himself he wouldn't have got sent off.

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Ian · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 254

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"Mighty Mouse" wrote in message $24v$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> What I find interesting is that Fabregas is being villified and quotes
> that Arteta got sent off because of him are being used. Arteta did put his
> arm in Fabregas' face in full view of the referee who was standing less
> than five yards from them. That is the reason he was sent off. The critics
> accuse Fabregas of over-reacting but I have heard that shout when players
> have broken legs and dislocated shoulders. The only person who knows how
> much pain Arteta's forearm caused to Fabregas is Fabregas. If Arteta had
> kept his arms to himself he wouldn't have got sent off.

The article also fails to mention the cheating by Everton that went right
through this match. Arteta and Neville should certainly have been booked for
simulation.

Mighty Mouse · Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 35

"Ian" wrote in message $cJ3.90452@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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> "Mighty Mouse" wrote in message
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>> What I find interesting is that Fabregas is being villified and quotes
>> that Arteta got sent off because of him are being used. Arteta did put
>> his arm in Fabregas' face in full view of the referee who was standing
>> less than five yards from them. That is the reason he was sent off. The
>> critics accuse Fabregas of over-reacting but I have heard that shout when
>> players have broken legs and dislocated shoulders. The only person who
>> knows how much pain Arteta's forearm caused to Fabregas is Fabregas. If
>> Arteta had kept his arms to himself he wouldn't have got sent off.
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> The article also fails to mention the cheating by Everton that went right
> through this match. Arteta and Neville should certainly have been booked
> for simulation.
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Irrespective of that, this wasn't "simulation" because nobody is suggesting
that Arteta's arm didn't make contact with Fabregas' face.

aaa · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 128

On Jan 2, 6:12 am, "Mighty Mouse" wrote:
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> >> What I find interesting is that Fabregas is being villified and quotes
> >> that Arteta got sent off because of him are being used. Arteta did put
> >> his arm in Fabregas' face in full view of the referee who was standing
> >> less than five yards from them. That is the reason he was sent off. The
> >> critics accuse Fabregas of over-reacting but I have heard that shout when
> >> players have broken legs and dislocated shoulders. The only person who
> >> knows how much pain Arteta's forearm caused to Fabregas is Fabregas. If
> >> Arteta had kept his arms to himself he wouldn't have got sent off.
>
> > The article also fails to mention the cheating by Everton that went right
> > through this match. Arteta and Neville should certainly have been booked
> > for simulation.
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> Irrespective of that, this wasn't "simulation" because nobody is suggesting
> that Arteta's arm didn't make contact with Fabregas' face.- Hide quoted text -
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We must respect the hard facts of life: if a player doesn´t react
strongly when fouled, a freekick won´t be given. He MUST react and
even better, overreact. Or else his complaints will me ignored.
Fabregas did well to overreact. I expect him to overreact again when
fouled. a

Art Weingardner · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 220

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:42:12 GMT, Baldoni
wrote:
>I reckon he is probably one of the best sports reporters in the
>country. But how can you sling mud with the disrepute the Utd players
>have brought the game into ?

did the Fabregas-Arteta incident remind you of anything you had seen
before? how about Sol Campbell and Solskjaer. do they now admit that
was a bullshit call too?

Robert Moir · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 147

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> We must respect the hard facts of life: if a player doesn´t react
> strongly when fouled, a freekick won´t be given. He MUST react and
> even better, overreact. Or else his complaints will me ignored.

Perhaps. This is a bit of a vicious circle though, is it not. Perhaps the
way to break it would be to take the brave step of being a little more
honest. I know, I know, I'm just old fashioned.

> Fabregas did well to overreact. I expect him to overreact again when
> fouled. a

This statement makes me profoundly sad on many levels.

Ian · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 254

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"Robert Moir" wrote in message $ou3.11916@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
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>> We must respect the hard facts of life: if a player doesn´t react
>> strongly when fouled, a freekick won´t be given. He MUST react and
>> even better, overreact. Or else his complaints will me ignored.
>
> Perhaps. This is a bit of a vicious circle though, is it not. Perhaps the
> way to break it would be to take the brave step of being a little more
> honest. I know, I know, I'm just old fashioned.

I'm sure everyone would prefer that. Football is one of the few sports where
cheating is so rife.

However the sly kicks, shirt pulls etc are also cheating, let's not forget
that.

RED DEVIL · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 4638

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:40:22 -0800 (PST), aaa
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>On Jan 2, 6:12 am, "Mighty Mouse" wrote:
>> "Ian" wrote in message
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>> > "Mighty Mouse" wrote in message
>> >$24v$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> >> What I find interesting is that Fabregas is being villified and quotes
>> >> that Arteta got sent off because of him are being used. Arteta did put
>> >> his arm in Fabregas' face in full view of the referee who was standing
>> >> less than five yards from them. That is the reason he was sent off. The
>> >> critics accuse Fabregas of over-reacting but I have heard that shout when
>> >> players have broken legs and dislocated shoulders. The only person who
>> >> knows how much pain Arteta's forearm caused to Fabregas is Fabregas. If
>> >> Arteta had kept his arms to himself he wouldn't have got sent off.
>>
>> > The article also fails to mention the cheating by Everton that went right
>> > through this match. Arteta and Neville should certainly have been booked
>> > for simulation.
>>
>> Irrespective of that, this wasn't "simulation" because nobody is suggesting
>> that Arteta's arm didn't make contact with Fabregas' face.- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
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>We must respect the hard facts of life: if a player doesn´t react
>strongly when fouled, a freekick won´t be given. He MUST react and
>even better, overreact. Or else his complaints will me ignored.
>Fabregas did well to overreact. I expect him to overreact again when
>fouled. a

So it's ok for Fabregas to react but not someone like Ronaldo huh?

Got it...

RED DEVIL

Interesting article on Wenger With maybe the exception of Man U, every club in England must be jealous as fook that this guy isn't their manager. Long live Arsene!!

Fabregas As Arsenal fans, would you say he's the best young player in the Premiership? If not who?

If Fabregas scores. Re Liverpool away. Paddy Power will refund all first/last and correct score betting if Cesc scores at any time in the game. That seems like a good deal, far be it for me to advertise for a bookie. :-) -- Count Baldoni

Roy Keane on Fabregas Roy Keane is quoted in The Times today (when comparing Fabregbas and Scholes): "He's (Fabregas) potentially a very good player and at the perfect club with the perfect manager, but Paul's done it for years and years." Nice of Roy to call Arsenal and Wenge

Fabregas wants to join United ... ....Funny time to announce this. End of season or do you think he wants out in Jan? Might give Carrick a run for his place. A. Dieu.